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B2B website design: can comments save websites?

  
  
  
  
  
  
  

B2B website design: can comments save websites?I’m working on a list of action items I have for our main website. Meantime, a thought struck me: is my site obsolete?

My web team may kill me for writing this. And for good reason. They’ve got blood and sweat in that nav, content and tags. So am I nuts? And which articles on this am I overlooking? I’m sure there are many good ones.

Since launching our business blog in early 2008, I’ve tended to steer fresh content to our blog instead of posting it to our main company website. I favor the blog vs the main site. Why?

 

B2B blog content vs B2B website content — a theory about why what goes where

  • I really want to have a two-way communication with visitors. But, sans public comments feature on our main site, we’re encouraging… listening. That is, I don’t think that offering a response form with a field for entering comments counts as fostering dialogue; that mechanism sends a private communication to the site owner. What fires people up is playing a part… impacting through contributing.
  • My perception is that reader/visitor expectations are different for the main site and the blog. And as the author, publishing to the blog is lower stress. The blog posts are supposed to be authentic. It’s not the end of the world if I leave out a word. It’s ok if I don’t know the answer to a question. As long as I’m not squandering your time or committing other heinous acts on Tom Pick’s memorable list, ”The 7 Deadly Sins of Blogging“.
  • Because of (2), publishing to the blog is quicker. It feels gratifying to get an idea ‘out’. Making something new is creative. These days, it’s the closest I ever get to making art.

I’m not suggesting that our main corporate website be a wiki. Or that it’s not worthwhile at all without a public comment feature. I am, though, observing that blog infrastructure invites public dialogue; a traditional website does not. And wondering if that is ok in the long term.

So in the vein of the hard-hitting “reality bites” Forrester telecon I helped Laura Ramos with on Oct 29th – I wonder: are traditional websites without comments, obsolete?

 

Traditional website + public comments = all the usual social media benefits and challenges?

To walk the walk regarding participation, could we invite comments using a form at least on B2B Central pages where we lay out ideas/approaches most likely to spark reader feedback?

At the simplest level, we could manually post people’s comments to the page as they are submitted… or get fancier and automate it. The online Business Journal websites, for example, has space for comments under each online article now. (Note: to my knowledge, no reporter or editor has responded to any comment I’ve posted at a bizjournals.com site.)

However we rig up the technology, I feel there’s still the question about why a business would maintain a main website and a blog separately.

  • Perhaps it has to do with separating personal opinion from corporate policy.
  • Perhaps it’s because buyers still expect a company to have a company website that looks like a company website.
  • Perhaps it’s because a company needs to convey respect for visitors by presenting a polished online presence – not one created with haste or inattention to detail.

 

B2B websites — why not abandon ship?

Now, why not? That is, why not just do what comes naturally and keep posting all the fresh content to our blog?

Again, I fear my web team is going to absolutely kill me. And for good reason! For one thing, this blog is not optimized, and it shows. It doesn’t ’sell’ our company. It is about ideas, persepctive… connecting with others.

The main site, by contrast, was designed to make our business case. It shows we know our best customers are savvy consumers seeking not just a likeable or hip consultant but a pro wearing the scars and medals that indicate trustworthiness. There are testimonials. Pages telling our skills and services and experience. Press releases noting our successes.

And it’s more usable — content is ‘chunked’ up. It has calls to action. It shows we’ve got some Skills. It’s like wearing business attire for a Friday client meeting.

And I can just hear David Meerman Scott now, thundering “Nobody Cares About Your Products and Services!” I mostly agree David, I mostly agree!

 

Applying Peter Kim*

Peter Kim’s thinking about Social networking and the ego trap may be applicable here. Kim writes,

Social networks are valuable for building and maintaining relationships.  Updates and status feeds preserve the signal strength of current ties and boost the signal of weak ones.  But adding connections with low relevance and connection result in static, increasing in annoyance as one’s network grows.  Useful social networks require a high signal-to-noise ratio.

Extending this idea: could it be that, while a high volume of comments is gratifying, the ”signal-to-noise” ratio will worsen overall? 

His thinking about the scalability of social media bears mention too. In Social media marketing’s scalability problem he writes,

People don’t scale, either. Frank at Comcast does a great job, but he’s only one person. Dell has 17+ people on Twitter, like Amie Paxton. Scott Monty is a new kind of leader, but he’s only one person…

…From my last post asking if social media matters, the commenting consensus seems to agree, with its impact in awareness, consideration, and preference.

But if social media marketing matters, then does it scale?

I don’t think so. I think the technologies scale. But the programs – especially those with a labor-intensive component – don’t.

What if our main site did have a public comments feature and 50 thoughtful visitors weighed in tomorrow? I’d need to surf that wave, rather than drown in it. And that might require Brogan-ish Social Media Skills.

 

Other website doomsdayers

Others have written about this – some an impressively long time ago! But while their headlines grabbed me in the Google results, their beefs seem to be different. Here are some examples:

In a 2002 article in Digital Web Magazine Jeffrey Zeldman writes in 99.9% of Websites Are Obsolete that,

“…In off-brand browsers, in screen readers used by people with disabilities, and in increasingly popular non-traditional devices from Palm Pilots(TM) to web-enabled cell phones, many of these sites have never worked and still don’t, while others function marginally at best…. Peel the skin of any major site, from Amazon to Microsoft.com, from Sony to ZDNet. Examine their tortuous non-standard markup, their proprietary ActiveX and JavaScript (often including broken detection scripts), and ill-conceived use of Cascading Style Sheets-when they use CSS at all. It’s a wonder such sites work in any browser.”

Someone called Titus Hoskins of bizwaremagic.com writes, in Are Websites Obsolete Already? Will they go the way of the DoDo?, a seemingly orphaned blog post dated 2005:

“…we see the start of such a direction in the blurring of sites that are not exactly a blog or a website — but a cross between the two. People are building complete websites in rss/xml coding so they can feed them directly to their site’s customers or patrons…”

Now – I noticed some months ago that a couple of industry leaders don’t have separate blogs and corporate sites. Their blog IS their corporate site. It has pages for Services and About… but the main area one lands at when you use their root URL, is their latest post and its comments.

This is interesting to me because it’s an acknowledgement of the way b2b conversations need to happen now… two way, less formal, less preachy, more authentic, more inclusive, more timely, more shaped by the community of players and ideas of which it is one part.

 

Thoughts?

What do you think? Is trying to structure all corporate communications to be interactive an ego trap… and too hard to support? Or is it silly and shortsighted to get stuck on those issues… in the same sort of way that it’d be silly to not use email because there’s so much of it to keep on top of?

* A far cry from Being Peter Kim

Comments

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Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:17 AM by Web Development Company New York
I agree about ’scary for PR people, but awesome for virtually everyone else.” 
 
In a later post, How Johnny Cash Would Tweet (http://blog.b2bcommunications.com/2008/12/25/how-johnny-cash-would-tweet/), I talked about marketing not micromanaging the twitter presence; you and Adam Blitzer make a good case for doing the same when it comes to engineering and other depts not communicating ‘through’ marketing to clients. 
 
On another point, can you tell how hung up I am on the Seven Deadly Sins of Blogging (http://webmarketcentral.blogspot.com/2008/04/7-deadly-sins-of-blogging.html) post. Help, I’m not an OCD kind of person, but I refer to it all the time! I can’t get off it in this blog! I might need an intervention…
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:18 AM by Rebekah Donaldson
Great post Rebekah. My response to your Peter Kim quote would be that INDIVIDUAL people don’t scale, true, but social media does because it enables any subject matter expert in a company to respond. Instead of a PR person asking an engineer how to respond to something, the engineer can respond directly. Scary for PR people, but awesome for virtually everyone else. 
 
And you’d NEVER be guilty of any of the Seven Deadly Sins of Blogging. :-)
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:18 AM by Tom Pick
That’s a great insight re: “I think the key is involving many people at your organization and not just the marketing department.” You get the ‘distributed processing’/ load sharing, the morale boost, and, as you said, it breaks down those silos that can exist between depts. Amen to that.
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:19 AM by Rebekah Donaldson
Thanks for the quick reply Rebekah. I am a cheerleader/sponsor for the project as I believe a community site fits into our corporate culture (and that of many SMB-focused SaaS companies) well. Salesforce.com is a great proponent if this. You can look at their idea exchange and see what exactly they have implemented based on client feedback. It’s pretty amazing for a community to have that sort of dialog with a major SaaS vendor. 
 
Fortunately technology makes a community site very easy to stay on top of these days. We allow comments and posts to our idea exchange, forums, wiki pages, and blog posts. Whenever anything changes (new comments, edits, etc.), everyone in our services, support, and marketing departments (and optionally sales and engineering) are alerted. It then sort of becomes a fun race to see who can provide the quickest and most accurate/meaningful response to the community member. I think the key is involving many people at your organization and not just the marketing department. That ensures that community becomes core to your business and that community members receive well-rounded responses.
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:19 AM by Adam Blitzer
Thank you so much for visiting and commenting Adam! I’ll be sure to visit the community site you’ve launched at http://success.pardot.com Are you an internal cheerleader at Pardot, trying to keep on top of comments from the community? Any tips for readers here, in terms of staying on top of that?
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:20 AM by Rebekah Donaldson
Great post Rebekah and it is an issue that many marketing departments struggle with. Some corporate cultures are better at engaging their community and accepting the good and the bad that comes with opening up (and making public) the lines of communication. You also have to ensure that any change has an internal cheerleader to make sure that a community site/change is not launched and then forgotten. As you mentioned, there is no better way to make people angry than to empower them with a community site and then not have regular participation by the host. Software with instant notifications of comments, posts, etc. makes that much easier. 
 
We very recently launched a community site (http://success.pardot.com) for our clients and it has been a great experience to date.
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:20 AM by Adam Blitzer
Great points KevRichard. And worse than being useless, the effort may backfire if the company doesn’t respond. An analogy comes to mind: a prank call. The company “calls” by opening a channel for communication, then doesn’t say anything once the other party “picks up.”
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:21 AM by b2bcommunications.com
I think this decision has to be made on a case by case basis. Allowing customers to give comments is a great way to gather feed back and have them become involved but its also something that needs to be managed and may clutter up a site. I think it really depends if having such a system fits with the corporate culture/branding of the company and if the firm is willing to stand behind this operation as something like this is going to become useless if it isn’t responded to/acted upon. 
 
Another thought that comes to mind is when having a system out in the open on your homepage it leaves you vulnerable to spammers/people who would like to do harm to your corporate image. This idea really has me thinking,I’m actually feeling a bit conflicted about the idea. Its something that does sound interesting but a lot needs to go behind it and even then it may not get the desired results in the end.
Posted @ Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:21 AM by kevrichard
very nice information... thanxxx
Posted @ Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:09 AM by nomi
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